this is the story of my life in the last four years. everytime i have tried reaching out to the other, i have only bumped into stone walls.
"Two people sit talking. The one (Peter) is making a point to the other (Paul). He puts his point of view in different ways to Paul for some time, but Paul does not understand.
Let us imagine what may be going on, in the sense that I mean by phantasy. Peter is trying to get through to Paul. He feels that Paul is being needlessly closed up against him. It becomes increasingly important to him to soften, or get into Paul. But Paul seems hard, impervious and cold. Peter feels he is beating his head against a brick wall. He feels tired, hopeless, progressively more empty as he sees he is failing. Finally he gives up.
Paul feels, on the other hand, that Peter is pressing too hard. He feels he has to fight him off. He doesn"t understand what Peter is saying, but feels that he has to defend himself from an assault.
The dissociation of each from his phantasy, and the phantasy of the other, betokens the lack of relationship of each to himself and each to the other. They are both more and less related to each other "in phantasy" than each pretends to be to himself and the other.
Here, two roughly complementary phantasy experiences wildly belie the calm manner in which two men talk to each other, comfortably ensconced in their armchairs.
It is mistaken to regard the above description as merely metaphorical."
"Two people sit talking. The one (Peter) is making a point to the other (Paul). He puts his point of view in different ways to Paul for some time, but Paul does not understand.
Let us imagine what may be going on, in the sense that I mean by phantasy. Peter is trying to get through to Paul. He feels that Paul is being needlessly closed up against him. It becomes increasingly important to him to soften, or get into Paul. But Paul seems hard, impervious and cold. Peter feels he is beating his head against a brick wall. He feels tired, hopeless, progressively more empty as he sees he is failing. Finally he gives up.
Paul feels, on the other hand, that Peter is pressing too hard. He feels he has to fight him off. He doesn"t understand what Peter is saying, but feels that he has to defend himself from an assault.
The dissociation of each from his phantasy, and the phantasy of the other, betokens the lack of relationship of each to himself and each to the other. They are both more and less related to each other "in phantasy" than each pretends to be to himself and the other.
Here, two roughly complementary phantasy experiences wildly belie the calm manner in which two men talk to each other, comfortably ensconced in their armchairs.
It is mistaken to regard the above description as merely metaphorical."
-Excerpted from, The Politics of Experience
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By Anand, at Wednesday, August 22, 2007
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By Anand, at Wednesday, August 22, 2007
I quite agree with that, but for the fifth paragraph which left me bamboozled.
By Anand, at Wednesday, August 22, 2007
hey.
reminds me of something in one of eckhart tolle's books.
when 2 people interact, it's not just 2 people interacting.
It's 1. What A thinks A is
2. What A thinks B is
3. What B thinks A is
4. What B thinks B is
and communication is supposed to be: what A really is, with what B really is.
No wonder we screw up so much!
By dhrugeese, at Sunday, August 26, 2007
The problem is simple... Both Paul & Peter are trying to talk to each other, instead they should be talking with each other.
By Rohit, at Wednesday, October 17, 2007
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